B.H. 17th of Cheshvan, 5723 Brooklyn, N.Y.
Dr. H. Goldstein1
1721 Grand Avenue
New York 53, N.Y.
Greeting and Blessing:
My secretary, Dr. Nissan Mindel, has brought your letter of October 23rd to my attention. I am pleased to note that you took time out to review my letter of the 18th of Teves, 5722,2 and to put down in writing your observations thereon. Many thanks.
In reply, I can either follow the order of my letter in the light of your remarks, or take up your remarks as they appear in your letter. I will choose the latter method. In any case, I trust that our views will be reconciled, since, as you indicate in the introductory paragraph of your letter, you are in full sympathy with the aims of my said letter, namely, to resolve any doubts that science presents a challenge to the commandments of our Torah.
I must begin with two prefatory remarks:
(a) It should be self-evident that my letter did not imply a negation or rejection of science or the scientific method. In fact, I stated so explicitly towards the end of my said letter.3 I hope that I will not be suspected of trying to belittle the accomplishments of science, especially as in certain areas the Torah view accords science even more credit than science itself claims; hence, many laws in Halachah are geared to scientific conclusions (as e.g. in medicine), assigning to them the validity of objective reality.
(b) A remark has been attributed to you to the effect that just as Rabbinic problems should be dealt with by someone who studied Rabbinics, so should scientific problems be left to those who studied science. I do not know how accurate this report is, but I feel I should not ignore it nevertheless, since I agree with this principle. I studied science on the university level from 1928 to 1932 in Berlin, and from 1934 to 1938 in Paris, and I have tried to follow scientific developments in certain areas ever since.
Now to your letter.
(1) I quite agree, of course, that (for the aim mentioned above) scientific theories must be judged by the standards and criteria set up by the scientific method itself. This is precisely the principle I followed in my letter. Hence I purposely omitted from my discussion any references to the Scriptures, or the Talmud, etc.
(2) You write that you can heartily applaud my emphasis that scientific theories never pretend to give the ultimate truths. But I went further than that. The point was not that science is not (now) in a position to offer ultimate truths, but that modern science itself sets its own limits, declaring that its predictions are, will always be, and in every case, merely “most probable” but not certain; it speaks only “in terms of theories.” Herein, as you know probably better than I, lies a basic difference of concept between science today and 19th century science. Where in the past scientific conclusions were considered as natural “laws” in the strict sense of the terms, i.e. determined and certain, modern science no longer holds this view.
Parenthetically, this view is at variance with the concept of Nature and our own knowledge of it ( = science) as espoused by the Torah, since the idea of נסים implies a change in a fixed order and not the occurrence of a least probable event.
Acknowledging the limitations of science, set by science itself, as above, is sufficient to resolve any doubt that science might present a challenge to Torah. The rest of the discussion in my said letter was mainly by way of further emphasis, but also because, as already mentioned, according to the Torah, i.e. in the realm of faith and not that of science, it is admissible for the conclusions of science to have the validity of natural “law.”
(3) Next, you deplore what you consider a “gratuitous attack” on the personal motives of scientists. But no such general attack will be found in my letter. I specifically referred to a certain segment of scientists in a certain area of scientific research, namely, those who produce hypotheses about what actually occurred thousands upon thousands of years ago, such as the evolutionary theory of the World, hypotheses which contain no significance for present day research (see in my said letter the par. Immediately following the par. you cite4); hypotheses which are not only highly speculative, but not strictly scientific, and are indeed replete with internal weaknesses. Yet, lacking any firm basis, these scientists nevertheless reject absolutely any other explanation (including the Torah narrative). It is the motives of these scientists that I attempted to analyze, since their attitude cannot be equated with a desire to promote the truth, or to promote technological advancement, scientific research, etc. I did not want to accuse them, at any rate not all of them, of anti-religious bias, especially as some of them, including some of the originators of the theory, were religious. I therefore attempted to explain their attitude by a common human trait, the quest for accomplishment and distinction. Incidentally, this natural trait has its positive aspects, and is also basic in our religion, since without the incentive of accomplishment nothing would be accomplished.
(4) Your remark about the misuse of the terms “fission” and “fusion” in relation to chemical reactions is, of course, valid and well taken.5 I trust, however, that the meaning was not unduly affected thereby, since it was twice indicated in that paragraph that the subject was chemical reactions. Undoubtedly, the terms “combination” and “decomposition” should have been used. [Actually, I believe, the different usage of these terms in nuclear and chemical reactions is more conventional than basic. Nevertheless, I should have been mindful of the standard terminology].
Here, a word of explanation regarding the terminology of my letter is in order. If the terms or expressions used are not always the standard ones, this is due to (a) the fact that I do not usually dictate my letters in English, and while I subsequently check the translation, this perusal may not always preclude an oversight, as the present instance is a case in point; and (b) the fact that I received my scientific training, as already mentioned, in German and French, and previously in Russian, which may also account for some of the variations.
(5) You refer to my statement that scientists know very little about interactions of isolated atoms and subatomic particles, and also question its relevance to the theories about the dating of the World. The relevance is this: The evolutionary theory as it applies to the origin of our solar system and planet Earth, from which the dating is inferred, presumes (at least in the case of most of the hypotheses) that “in the beginning” there were atoms and subatomic particles in some pristine state, which then condensed, combined together, etc.
I am aware of the fact that a major part of physics research in this century has been concerned with interactions of individual units ranging from atoms to the most elementary particles known. But as late as 1931, of the subatomic particles only protons and electrons were known and “explored.” The bubble chamber was constructed only in 1952, and a field ion microscope (by Dr. Muller of Penn State University ?), reaching into the realm of the atom and subatomic particles — only in 1962. We have good reason to believe, I think, that just as scientific knowledge was enriched with the introduction of the first microscope, we may expect a similar measure of advancement with the aid of the latest (though it had been preceded by the electronic microscope). Therefore it is safe to assume that all we have learned in the field of nucleonics in the last few decades is very little by comparison with what we can confidently expect to learn in the next few decades.
(6) You object to my statement that conditions of pressure, temperature, radioactivity, etc. must have been “totally different” in the early stages supposed by some evolutionists from those existing today, and you assert that those environmental conditions have for the most part either been duplicated in the laboratory or observed in natural phenomena. Here, with all due respect, I beg to differ, and I believe the study of the sources will confirm my assertion.
(7) You state that there is no evidence that any radioactive element produces cataclysmic changes, and go on to note that there is a lack of clear distinction in my letter between cosmogony and geochronology. The reason for the lack of such a distinction in my letter is that it is irrelevant to our discussion. The subject matter of my letter is the theory of evolution as it contradicts the account of Creation in the Torah. According to the Torah the creation of the whole universe was ex nihilo, including the Earth, the sun, etc. The theory of evolution presents, instead, a different explanation of the appearance of the universe, solar system and our planet Earth. Now, in evaluating this theory, I have in mind that the strength of a chain is measured by its weakest link, and in my letter I attempted to point out some of the weakest links in both areas, cosmology and geochronology. With regard to geology and the changes and upheavals that may have occurred at a time when the whole universe is supposed to have been in a state of violent atomic instability, with worlds in collision, etc., cataclysmic changes cannot be ruled out, such nuclear reactions should have caused changes which would void any evolutionary calculations. Similarly, in the evolution of vegetable, animal and human life on the Earth, radioactive process of such magnitude should have produced sudden changes and transmutations which would normally take long periods of time.
(8) You state, finally, that the crucial point to consider in regard to geochronology is the existence of objects and geological formations in and on the crust of the Earth which serve as physically observable clocks, etc. But I have already pointed out in my said letter that such criteria are valid only as of now and for the future, but cannot be applied either scientifically or logically to a primordial state. By way of illustration: Though you do not identify any of the objects you are referring to, let us examine radiocarbon dating, since most of the letters and questions I received on this subject pointed to it. This method assumes that the average cosmic-ray intensity has remained constant for the whole period of the dating, and that atmospheric mixing is rapid compared to the lifetime of 6C14. Now to mention but one flaw in the criterion: it requires that the shielding power (density etc.) of the atmosphere remain constant. But the evolution theory is built on the premise that there had been most radical changes. The same conflicting situation exists in regard to other methods of dating. Incidentally, in most recent years geologists in South Africa discovered such a disorder in geological formations in that part of the world that contradicted all the accepted theories of geology. The discovery was publicized at that time, but I do not have the informational media at hand, and I mention this in passing only. I suggest another look in my letter, p. 5, par. beg. The theory of evolution…”6
Should you wish to continue the discussion, please do not hesitate to write to me.
With esteem and blessing,
M. Schneerson
P.S. I have just been able to trace and borrow one of your books, The attenuation of Gamma rays and Neutrons in Reactor Shields.7 May I say that I was greatly impressed with the effort, material and clarity of presentation. Incidentally, I noted in it your observations about the “discrepancies between theory and experimentation” which I found more than once in your book. Such a statement as “Not only is the simplest organism an incredibly complicated entity whose chemistry and physics are barely glimpsed at (the underscoring is mine), “but the classical scientific pattern of experimentation is necessarily not available “(ditto)” in studying radiation effects”8 — is very significant and has a direct bearing on the theory of evolution which involves an age of unimaginable radioactivity both in the universe and our planet Earth.
Notes and sources
1) Dr. Hillel (Herbert) Goldstein (1922 - 2005) was an American physicist, author of multiple books on physics, and a founding member of the AOJS (Association of Orthodox Jewish Scientists).
At the time this letter was written, he was a professor of nuclear science and engineering at Columbia University and the recently elected president of the AOJS.
The following day, the Rebbe wrote an additional letter to Mr. Goldstein, opening: “In addition to my letter of yesterday’s date, which was confined to a purely scientific discussion, it is this second letter which will express my real approach to you, the Torah approach of one Jew to another.”
2) An official response to evolution and the age of the universe in accordance with Torah.
Goldstein's letter of October 23 (25 Tishrei) addressed to the Rebbe's secretary, Rabbi Dr. Nissan Mindel, reads:
Dear Rabbi Mindel,
I was very glad of the opportunity to renew your acquaintance Sunday evening. As I mentioned at the time, Rabbi Raichick has urged me to send you my comments on the widely circulated letter of Rabbi Schneeerson dated the 18th of Tevet, 5722. Needless to say, I am in full sympathy with the aims of the letter.
But I must confess that I am troubled by certain portions of the letter particularly those that deal with science on its own ground. As I understand the letter, it contains in part the thesis that the scientific theories concerning the dating of the World are refuted by their own internal weaknesses and inconsistencies, that in short — they are “bad science.” The validity of such a thesis must be judged by the standards and criteria set up by the scientific method itself for evaluating the strength of any theory, independent of considerations outside of science. My remarks will be confined to these questions of science, for only there do I feel at all qualified to make any comment.
The material in the letter dealing with science can be further divided into general discussions on the nature of science or the scientific method and statements about specific scientific theories and observations. Some of the general discussion I can heartily applaud, such as the emphasis that scientific theories never pretend to give the ultimate truths. Some I can only deplore, as a rather gratuitous attack on the personal motives of scientists in the paragraph beginning “You may now ask...” But can offer little comment on most of the general description of the scientific approach, especially that part from “Basically, the problem...” to “For further illustration...”, because I have serious doubts whether I understand what was meant in these sections.
All I can say from what little I grasp of these paragraphs is that they seem to imply a picture that bears little relation to the scientific method I am familiar with from my study and daily work. It is therefore only in regard to the specific scientific statements that I can offer any detailed comments.
In the paragraph beginning “For further illustration...” a chemical reaction is described as ‘fissional or fusional’ and mention is made of the phenomenon of catalysis. The terms ‘fission’ or ‘fusion’ can only be applied to nuclear, not chemical reactions and indeed only to a limited class of nuclear reactions. On the other hand — catalysis, when present, occurs only in chemical, not nuclear, reactions.
The paragraph following contains the statement that scientists know very little about the interactions of isolated atoms or subatomic particles. I don’t understand the relevance of this statement to theories about the dating of the World, but it is in any case far from accurate. It is closer to the situation to say that the major part of physics research in this century has been concerned, experimentally and theoretically, with the interactions of individual units ranging from atoms to the most elementary particles now known.
It is twice stated that conditions of pressure, temperature and radioactivity in the early periods of the history of the Universe were “totally different” from those existing today. The present theories of the history of the World imply even at quite early stages environmental conditions which have for the most part either been duplicated in the laboratory or observed in natural phenomena. I’m not sure I understand what is meant by the sweeping but vague phrase “totally different.” But under the circumstances, neither it nor the equally sweeping phrase “universally admitted by all scientists” seems applicable.
The adjective “cataclystic” is used in several places as a well-known characteristic of certain environmental conditions, particularly radioactivity. I understand the word is a misprint for “cataclysmic”. But the term does not seem at all appropriate. There is no evidence that any radioactive element produces the violent geological upheavals or changes that are called cataclysms and certainly not when present in only small amounts.
In several places the present theories of the early stages of the Universe are said to involve the process of “colligation” and “conglomeration”. These are not standard scientific terms and I am unable to identify them with any of the presently proposed theories of the formation of the elements.
I will refrain from commenting about the statements on the biological aspects of evolution since this does not lie in my area of specialization. But there is one further general and important observation that can be made still within the realm of purely physical phenomena. Throughout the letter there is confusion, or at least lack of clear distinction, between cosmology, which deals with the structure and evolution of the Universe and geochronology — which is concerned with the dating of portions of the Earth, particularly in its crust. If one wishes to view that the World is 5723 years old (according to the years which we count now) then a discussion of cosmology is largely irrelevant and something of a red herring. The crucial point to consider is provided by theories of geochronology in the form of the statement “There exist in and on the crust of the Earth objects and geological formations whose age in terms of physically observable clocks is many times 5723 years.” Judged solely by the internal criteria of science, this [is] not a “weak” theory; on the contrary, it is quite well supported. Indeed, I know of no existing piece of evidence admissible by the standards of scientific reasoning which in any way contradicts or is inconsistent with this statement.
3) "Needless to say, it is not my intent to cast aspersions on science or to discredit the scientific method. Science cannot operate except by accepting certain working theories or hypotheses, even if they cannot be verified, though some theories die hard even when they are scientifically refuted or discredited (the evolutionary theory is a case in point). No technical progress would be possible unless certain physical “laws” are accepted, even though there is no guarantee that the “law” will repeat itself. However, I do wish to emphasize, as already mentioned, that science has to do only with theories but not with certainties. All scientific conclusions, or generalizations, can only be probable in a greater or lesser degree according to the precautions taken in the use of the available evidence, and the degree of probability necessarily decreases with the distance from the empirical facts, or with the increase of the unknown variables, etc., as already indicated. If you will bear this in mind, you will readily realize that there can be no real conflict between any scientific theory and the Torah."
4) Paragraph cited by recipient: "The question may be asked, If the theories attempting to explain the origin and age of the world are so weak, how could they have been advanced in the first place? The answer is simple. It is a matter of human nature to seek an explanation for everything in the environment, and any theory, however far-fetched, is better than none, at least until a more feasible explanation can be devised."
Paragraph the Rebbe is now citing: "You may now ask, In the absence of a sounder theory, why then isn’t the Biblical account of creation accepted by these scientists? The answer, again, is to be found in human nature. It is a natural human ambition to be inventive and original. To accept the Biblical account deprives one of the opportunity to show one’s analytic and inductive ingenuity. Hence, disregarding the Biblical account, the scientist must devise reasons to “justify” his doing so, and he takes refuge in classifying it with ancient and primitive “mythology” and the like, since he cannot really argue against it on scientific grounds."
I hope that my motive in making these remarks will not be misunderstood. The principle “Know what to answer the apikores” is one to which I subscribe with all my heart. I firmly believe that proper and convincing answers for the apikores can be provided for our youth, especially if they have adequate education in the sciences. But I am deeply concerned lest the letter, by its misstatements about science, have the opposite effect from what was intended and in the end, serve only to add fuel to the attacks of the scoffers.
With my best wishes for peace and success in the New Year,
Sincerely,
Herbert Goldstein
5) "In a chemical reaction, whether fissional or fusional, the introduction of a new catalyzer into the process, however minute the quantity of this new catalyzer may be, may change the whole tempo and form of the chemical process, or start an entirely new process."
6) "The theory of evolution, to which reference has been made, actually has no bearing on the Torah account of Creation. For even if the theory of evolution were substantiated today, and the mutation of species were proven in laboratory tests, this would still not contradict the possibility of the world having been created as stated in the Torah, rather than through the evolutionary process. The main purpose of citing the evolutionary theory was to illustrate how a highly speculative and scientifically unsound theory can capture the imagination of the uncritical, so much so that it is even offered as a “scientific” explanation of the mystery of Creation, despite the fact that the theory of evolution itself has not been substantiated scientifically and is devoid of any real scientific basis."
7) Herbert Goldstein, 1957. Can be accessed here.
8) P. 16.